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Mon Aug 24 13:14:20 UTC 2020 <adlai> the opposite dismissal is quite rare, since the more fundamental fields typically are able to offer pure reasoning, even if it overlooks details of which they are unaware; and it is much less common for students to bring up ochem questions with a physical chemistry professor.
Mon Aug 24 13:13:08 UTC 2020 <adlai> although this trend is not encouraged by the professors, my impression is that it is not actively combated by them, either; for example, every time that I, or another classmate, asked an ochem professor a question about the ochem material that was arguably a physical/mathematical question, the easy dismissal of "ask the folks in the other building" was given.
Mon Aug 24 13:11:23 UTC 2020 <adlai> as for the academic situation: I can't speak for colleges other than Tel Aviv University, although the situation there is a sad mess. it is a diploma mill. undergraduates get a "general chemistry" certificate, although have specialized to quite a sad degree before they are even halfway through earning it.
Mon Aug 24 13:06:24 UTC 2020 <adlai> lol, are you asking for a characterisation of how folks "feed their head", xor how pencilnecks fail ochem years in a row because it is a difficult subject?
Mon Aug 24 12:59:29 UTC 2020 <adlai> ochem is a dangerous and expensive skill to improve. one does not simply "hmm, maybe -1 charisma, +1 ochem", unless you are only interested in being a proverbial cook and nothing else.
Mon Aug 24 12:59:01 UTC 2020 <funkenstein_> perhaps you would enjoy a lecture from kilidi iyi on culinary explorations
Mon Aug 24 12:58:11 UTC 2020 <funkenstein_> D&D term for a skill that has not been increased due to more emphasis on other skills
Mon Aug 24 12:57:25 UTC 2020 <adlai> it is actually a reasonable tactic considering that they were both getting quite old and probably wanted to get their thoughts printed before it was too late.
Mon Aug 24 12:57:10 UTC 2020 <funkenstein_> kind of a martha stewart scrapbook thing eh?
Mon Aug 24 12:56:20 UTC 2020 <funkenstein_> sadly its been kind of a drop stat for me
Mon Aug 24 12:56:09 UTC 2020 <funkenstein_> well there's definitely a lot of interesting stuff to learn and do in organic chemistry
Mon Aug 24 12:53:17 UTC 2020 <funkenstein_> interesting, yeah I got the impression it was more of an experimental treatise than a well structured Linnean system
Mon Aug 24 12:52:55 UTC 2020 <adlai> but I do get the impression that while PiHKAL was a book written for a few clearly-defined purposes (aside from the obvious - selling books!), "the continuation" was written more as an all-out retaliation towards the Shulgins' persecution by the DEA
Mon Aug 24 12:51:21 UTC 2020 <adlai> there are a bunch of interesting chapters, and what might be a guinness-worthy work of indexing for the technical matter
Mon Aug 24 12:50:59 UTC 2020 <adlai> TiKHAL is a big mess
Mon Aug 24 12:50:43 UTC 2020 <adlai> fortunately, the cash-death of free will is far enough away that is still considered a luxury to buy your oxygen by the cannister, and pay for radiation by the hour
Mon Aug 24 12:50:02 UTC 2020 <funkenstein_> ergoloid is not a subcategory of tryptamine?
Mon Aug 24 12:49:17 UTC 2020 <adlai> eheheh, oxygen you enjoy wasting is not a waste of oxygen
Mon Aug 24 12:48:57 UTC 2020 <adlai> although tryptamines are quite a diverse bunch, and I'd include the ergoloids (e.g. lsd) in the category of substances that could improve survival when used wisely, the ergoloids are arguably not tryptamines.
Mon Aug 24 12:46:20 UTC 2020 <adlai> i prefer to think of it as a message from the collective unconscious, encoded in droplet-borne nucleocapsids: "dear rodents, primates, and other various attack helicopters: please try to be less of a waste of oxygen"