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Mon Mar 13 19:48:56 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> so, the picture in semantics becomes more complicated. now add a century of back-and-forth like that, and you get the modern cobweb of philosophy of language. :)
Mon Mar 13 19:48:44 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> "morning star = morning star." yet, the statement is somehow meaningful, and not devoid of informational content. (my friend learns a new thing.) how can this be? well, turns out you *can't* always exchange names even if both/all of them have the same referent (e.g. planet venus).
Mon Mar 13 19:48:32 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> body - planet venus. now, under 'direct reference' theory where if x == y, one can use the names interchangeably, the following statement to my friend (who is not aware of the equality yet): "morning star = evening star!" would be meaningless, because if you assume interchangeability, i'm merely saying a tautology:
Mon Mar 13 19:47:54 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> re. interchangeability for example, it's still not a simple case. this was (maybe) first spotted by frege, with his famous 'morning star' / 'evening star' example. this is simple (and masturbatory, maybe) stuff, but just for posterity / ftr: say i spot a celestial body in the morning, and name it 'morning star'. i spot another in the evening, name it 'evening star'. i tell a friend. later, i realise those two are actually the same
Mon Mar 13 19:42:32 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> (i mean, semantics as a field can be interesting; but also masturbatory, too...)
Mon Mar 13 19:38:22 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> well, it's just a special case of more general problems in ontology.
Mon Mar 13 19:38:04 UTC 2017 <funkenstein_> a colleague referred to european society as a degenerate fermi gas, because all positions are occupied :)
Mon Mar 13 19:37:51 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> (ftr SEP is usually a good resource to read)
Mon Mar 13 19:36:32 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> but for example, are 'son of god' and 'god' ontologically equal? i.e., the same thing? if no, then how can there be 'holy trinity'; if yes, then one should be able to use terms 'son of god' and 'god' interchangeably. clearly this doesn't always work. 'son of god had a son of god'.
Mon Mar 13 19:35:00 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> 'multiple things in one location' and all that. iirc church also had a say about that, too. and by church i mean some clever scholars (which nevertheless operated in a dogmatic framework, +/-)
Mon Mar 13 19:33:56 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> re bosons, it just associated in a lame way in my mind with pauli's exclusion principle, for example :)
Mon Mar 13 19:33:09 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> to oversimplify by several orders of magnitude, 'single god' 'but multiple entities?? [within? or not?]' was a huge deal for the church. it also sparked off some more general metaphysics debates in the field of ontology (= "discipline which studies 'what things there are / can be'"). those later fed back into the argument, church was pissed off with some of them (iirc), good times were had
Mon Mar 13 19:21:38 UTC 2017 <Framedragger> believe it or not, +/- ~this was a large part of metaphysics debate in middle ages. (not 'same location', but 'same ontological unit')
Mon Mar 13 17:49:50 UTC 2017 <kakobrekla> its only a mess if you dont suck cocks
Mon Mar 13 17:49:45 UTC 2017 <pankkake> the obvious solution is to create a fourth wot anyway
Mon Mar 13 17:48:47 UTC 2017 <asciilifeform> pankkake: it's only a mess if you credit >1
Mon Mar 13 17:47:56 UTC 2017 <pankkake> it's a mess
Mon Mar 13 17:17:01 UTC 2017 <kakobrekla> who cares he is not worth a piece of shit if he is not sucking drilema dicks
Mon Mar 13 17:12:31 UTC 2017 <punkman> same webkit exploit used in a iOS jailbreak apparently
Mon Mar 13 17:11:55 UTC 2017 <assbot> qwertyoruiop sur Twitter : "Just to be clear: I did not jailbreak the Switch. I simply demonstrated a proof of concept exploit that gives me code exec in the browser." ... ( http://bit.ly/2mEgJvc )