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Thu Oct 27 19:46:03 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> if you aren't operating a node, you aren't using bitcoin.
Thu Oct 27 19:45:49 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> neither of us are "using prb" nor do we have a full node
Thu Oct 27 19:43:54 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> but there ~is~ a third party.
Thu Oct 27 19:40:03 UTC 2016 <ben_vulpes> but a reputation to uphold is nowhere a part of the consideration.
Thu Oct 27 19:39:58 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> btw also consider that the effect of sending a large mass of coin to /dev/null is not 'i am out of x coin' but 'my coins, and his, have gone up in worth by n/Q', where Q is the monetary mass
Thu Oct 27 19:39:40 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> if you see 10k btc in a 2 of 2 address, you are more likely to consider sending the rockets
Thu Oct 27 19:37:31 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> perhaps the bus driver needs a key? nah it wouldn't work
Thu Oct 27 19:36:49 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> if you commit the money and seller is then hit by a bus, yeah - you're fucked
Thu Oct 27 19:34:29 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> then ben_vulpes sends me a crate. but instead of bulava, it has a pile of ipads.
Thu Oct 27 19:34:05 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> i want to buy a bulava rocket. ben_vulpes is selling it for 10,000 btc. we make a 2sig multitronic addr. i send to it.
Thu Oct 27 19:33:32 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> funkenstein_: let's draw a picture:
Thu Oct 27 19:33:25 UTC 2016 <ben_vulpes> in what world does a deposit come back if the goods are delivered
Thu Oct 27 19:32:23 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> then he provides a tx sending me my deposit back and the rest to an address he controls
Thu Oct 27 19:31:30 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> so instead we make a 2 of 2 address
Thu Oct 27 19:31:17 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: quislings gotta live in a mental universe where they are heroes, 'true vikings', rather than what they are. ergo 'prb is spiffy' and other kakotronics.
Thu Oct 27 19:30:50 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> suppose i want to buy antibiotics from a guy who knows where
Thu Oct 27 19:28:55 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> so next you are going to put a number on that trust ?
Thu Oct 27 19:24:01 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> however a temporary 2 of 2 address, if people knew how to use, would eliminate darknet market exit scams
Thu Oct 27 19:19:57 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> though 2 of 2 for bitbet, ascii has a point - perhaps just doubles drinking security issues
Thu Oct 27 19:15:25 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> why is having to reconstitute a shamir split secret a problem in that scenario ?