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Tue Oct 18 17:16:36 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> the miner wants your TX after all, it has a fee on it
Tue Oct 18 17:14:42 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> Another is to point out that if nobody will deliver your TX to a miner for free, you can make external arrangments at cost to get the thing delivered
Tue Oct 18 17:13:55 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> I see two ways to go with that discussion. One is to say yeah, there's also no incentive to put your blinker on, give directions, pick up a hitchhiker, share a torrent, etc.
Tue Oct 18 16:47:02 UTC 2016 <punkman> and while Satoshi had no idea, we've found a solution in practice. You pick a small block size at genesis, just like you pick a total number of coins, so nodes don't have to worry about storage.
Tue Oct 18 16:44:29 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> that's a separate issue
Tue Oct 18 16:40:37 UTC 2016 <punkman> funkenstein_: so, what do they expect will incentivise mining in the future? << there is a way out of this that doesn't involve citizens promising to pay their fair share even if block space isn't scarce
Tue Oct 18 15:02:47 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> a currency is a unit of account
Tue Oct 18 15:01:01 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2016#1456463 <-- btw i'd not like to "call credit cards a currency", that would be the idiocy I just read in punkman's fork link
Tue Oct 18 15:01:01 UTC 2016 <assbot> Logged on 18-10-2016 03:25:27; ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: can you estimate from memory what fraction of transactions are denominated in which currencies in your geographical area? you can even call "credit cards and debit cards" a currency if you'd like.
Tue Oct 18 14:39:46 UTC 2016 <assbot> A place to discuss progress on the bitcoin fork ... ( http://bit.ly/2dkLjah )
Tue Oct 18 03:28:53 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> perhaps a close call there, but for labor it's more likely true
Tue Oct 18 03:25:27 UTC 2016 <ben_vulpes> funkenstein_: can you estimate from memory what fraction of transactions are denominated in which currencies in your geographical area? you can even call "credit cards and debit cards" a currency if you'd like.
Tue Oct 18 03:23:45 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> interesting, gmaxwell has a malleus patch too :)
Mon Oct 17 21:29:49 UTC 2016 <punkman> "<gmaxwell> kakobrekla: they're (1) behaving strangely in ways that prove they are not ordinary nodes, and (2) were connected to many nodes on many different networks, in a way no benign node would. (most of them are connected to every node that can be reached, some of them multiple times)"
Mon Oct 17 16:06:25 UTC 2016 <Framedragger> "get a mouse from this century" converter? (i kid, i kid; ps2 is used for other things too i know)
Mon Oct 17 15:48:20 UTC 2016 <assbot> Loper OS ยป On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsImk2 )
Mon Oct 17 15:46:37 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> funkenstein_ : you've presumably been tuned in for long enough to know that bitcoin is an atrocious design in 1,001 ways. it remains in use because - apparently - folks would rather use an atrocious design than a premine scam - which described all alts to date.
Mon Oct 17 15:37:28 UTC 2016 <funkenstein_> one amusing thing about hear "only a sha256 chain secured with ecdsa secp256k1 and issued in geometric series will hold value" is that then I hear "don't trust ecdsa". Huh? Please reconcile these contradictions.
Mon Oct 17 14:39:18 UTC 2016 <punkman> I've watched some random chinese movies on youtube, they've been making a lot of them