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Sun Jul 03 23:07:30 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> if alf is a murderer without the commandments - that is on alf.
Sun Jul 03 23:03:55 UTC 2016 <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: #b-a has thus far been an interesting experimental test of kakobrekla's assertion
Sun Jul 03 22:29:20 UTC 2016 <assbot> Logged on 03-07-2016 22:04:27; jurov: BTW, when millions of people have job they hate in order to earn money the don't need, etc... how is *that* not a cult?
Sun Jul 03 22:04:27 UTC 2016 <jurov> BTW, when millions of people have job they hate in order to earn money the don't need, etc... how is *that* not a cult?
Sun Jul 03 21:46:22 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> notice: if i make cookies and say some latin words over them and then assert 'this is a body of spaghettimonster' i am deluded and will be sent to insane asylum - cult. christians do this ~this rather often and folks think its ok - religion.
Sun Jul 03 21:43:38 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> when there is a few people believing x without evidence, they are deluded and its a cult. where there is a lot of people believing x without evidence, they are deluded and its a religion.
Sun Jul 03 21:42:14 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> because before religion is a religion its a cult.
Sun Jul 03 21:40:35 UTC 2016 <jurov> kakobrekla: "eradicate disease X " "develop energy source Y" "restructure society by a revolution" did not require religion, either
Sun Jul 03 21:37:25 UTC 2016 <jurov> and some atheists like the idea the world is a simulation...but then, why waste cycles and not have the simulation begin properly only 6400y ago?
Sun Jul 03 21:34:07 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> that may or may not be a thing for any person, it depends on your values and the axioms built on top.
Sun Jul 03 21:34:06 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> there are people who will throw themselves on a grenade to save others. there are bomb squads. people die under torture without telling out the secrets. this does not require religion. if it would come from religion it would only degrade it in the hope of reward or avoidance of punishment or whatever else. i probably dont have to mention that in the good old ancient times, honorable men took personal risks for the benefit of others.
Sun Jul 03 21:25:22 UTC 2016 <jurov> you gotta choose actionable stuff like "eradicate disease X " "develop energy source Y" "restructure society by a revolution" but then you risk ending up nazi or stupid or shortsighted in hindsight
Sun Jul 03 21:07:38 UTC 2016 <jurov> anyway, you imply that anyone who accepts murder in order to "survive as species" is a deluded nazi and this can't happen outzide of nazi context ever?
Sun Jul 03 21:03:19 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> well i cant help you if you are a nazi.
Sun Jul 03 20:57:23 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> euthanasia is a thing you do to self neh?
Sun Jul 03 20:52:11 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> do you need to be a christian for stopping yourself from committing murder?
Sun Jul 03 20:41:38 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> i have heard a great deal of debates. christians really are arguing that without god there is no morality.
Sun Jul 03 20:35:57 UTC 2016 <jurov> really? that's a stretch of imagination
Sun Jul 03 20:33:14 UTC 2016 <kakobrekla> anyway, alf is arguing that "christianity is making me a good person, without it im a bad person" which worx, but only for retards
Sun Jul 03 20:32:22 UTC 2016 <*> kakobrekla also has no evidence Heaven's Gate suiciders are currently not enjoying their lives on a higher plane of existence