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Mon Sep 26 14:26:15 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   think about it.

Mon Sep 26 14:26:00 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   well no, because sequence numbers are plaintext, as are SYNs, ACKs, and FIns

Mon Sep 26 14:24:22 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   aha

Mon Sep 26 14:23:39 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   suffices.

Mon Sep 26 14:23:36 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   not even 'all nodes' directly, is the beauty, but all packets en route.

Mon Sep 26 14:21:42 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   demonstrably.

Mon Sep 26 14:21:38 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   as is happening to my trb nodes even as we speak.

Mon Sep 26 14:21:24 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   funkenstein_: it is quite unusable in the fact of panopticonic adversary (who arbitrarily closes connections, or alters payload)

Mon Sep 26 14:20:47 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   at no point did 1,000,001 'protesting' idiots cause a store to be boarded up. (they do occasionally burn'em down, though.)

Mon Sep 26 14:18:56 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   not very useful unplugged, is it.

Mon Sep 26 14:17:40 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   'the public' can be thrown out if they get rowdy / crowded

Mon Sep 26 14:17:27 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   not analogous

Mon Sep 26 14:16:32 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   tcp.

Mon Sep 26 14:15:52 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   point i wanted to make was that not every system has the idiotic design of www.

Mon Sep 26 14:14:13 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   not sure if visa would even notice an extra billion connections.

Mon Sep 26 14:12:25 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   closed in the sense of if you're dialing the number / pinging the box / whichever variant applies to your local endpoint , without having signed the contract - you will get a police visit.

Mon Sep 26 14:11:10 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   funkenstein_: how do you ddos a closed net ?

Mon Sep 26 14:07:07 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   at no point does visa lose a penny.

Mon Sep 26 14:06:25 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   you still eat the chargeback though.

Mon Sep 26 14:05:59 UTC 2016  <asciilifeform>   read the visa merchant acct terms, it's right there.

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