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Sat Sep 20 16:18:53 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   moriarty no country will stand up for a deal.

Sat Sep 20 16:18:36 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   mircea_popescu, like it or not, a country has got to stand up for the reason it was founded, otherwise, there is little point to be loyal or even nationalistic about it, when it can be hijacked philosophically

Sat Sep 20 16:17:37 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   bounce, any form of redistribution from the haves to the have-nots is welfare, from medical insurance to unemployment benefits

Sat Sep 20 16:16:11 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   it's hard to be free market, when the party dictates who lives and who doesn't :P

Sat Sep 20 16:15:56 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   so china may be "capitalist" but its roots and the one-party system would ensure that their brand of capitalism would almost likely never converge to american capitalism

Sat Sep 20 16:15:09 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   xmj, a balance between welfare state and free markets, and how much of a blend depends partly on the origins of the country, a la its constitution, and the culture trickled top down from previous political establishments a la informal variant of the constitution

Sat Sep 20 16:14:07 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   it's always a blend

Sat Sep 20 16:14:04 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   xmj, i don't take it too literally, anything taken in its pure definition does not exist in reality, there are no socialist or capitalist society today

Sat Sep 20 16:13:33 UTC 2014  <xmj>   moriarty: yes, that is how it works (exit vs voice), but most people are already in the land you'd like ancapistan to be

Sat Sep 20 16:13:12 UTC 2014  <xmj>   moriarty: ancap constitution... what?

Sat Sep 20 16:13:07 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   xmj, the way i see it, you like a country's constitution, join it, no? then emigrate :)

Sat Sep 20 16:12:51 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   xmj, sure, but demands of any kind play a subservient role to the sanctity of the constitution, and if ancaps were to form a nation, they could very well enshrine those principles in there

Sat Sep 20 16:12:47 UTC 2014  <xmj>   moriarty: and as much as the ancapists a la kinsella and molyneux would like to believe, they cannot overcome this with non-monopolist private security agencies

Sat Sep 20 16:11:37 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   mircea_popescu, that would not be very meaningful these days considering how some no longer buy/sell bitcoin unfortunately

Sat Sep 20 16:11:03 UTC 2014  <xmj>   moriarty: there will /always/ be demand for state and redistribution, because the lower 51% will want to loot the upper 49%

Sat Sep 20 16:10:57 UTC 2014  <sardan_>   moriarty, To low :-)

Sat Sep 20 16:10:41 UTC 2014  <xmj>   moriarty: here's the problem

Sat Sep 20 16:10:07 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   sardan_, an offer, $10 :-)

Sat Sep 20 16:07:41 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   moriarty it allows you to get voice here.

Sat Sep 20 16:07:39 UTC 2014  <moriarty>   mircea_popescu, i've done a sybil on localbitcoins though :) just so i don't get pinned down as the guy with shitloads of bitcoin

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