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Wed Mar 19 20:51:51 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: see mp's piece on why it is unwise to become embroiled in the making of products for idiots.

Wed Mar 19 20:50:30 UTC 2014  <benderp>   ninjashogun: if you can't be bothered to respond to private conversations that you start, I don't see why I should arse myself to respond to your PMs.

Wed Mar 19 20:50:05 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, ok. I'm not saying you'd need to pursue it. Just like I'm not saying you should build a shiny gui on a Unix utility and sell it to mac users for $49.

Wed Mar 19 20:49:31 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: this is catastrophically misguided.

Wed Mar 19 20:49:11 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, I was just thinking how mircea's current insights would imply that that is what you could actually sell to dumb users for a huge markup (e.g. $199), since they know what a leather wallet is and know that bitcoins are money. and that's it.

Wed Mar 19 20:48:38 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, okay.

Wed Mar 19 20:48:19 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: i might theoretically, at some point, make something that fits this description, but the current product has nothing to do with bitcoin or wallets

Wed Mar 19 20:48:17 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, okay. I was talking about that USB thing that escrows your private key. I know you only said it was about private keys - but most users don't know what that is.

Wed Mar 19 20:47:48 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, wouldn't your embedded device be used at some point as an offline wallet that you can connect?

Wed Mar 19 20:47:46 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: i think you have the wrong address. that'd be 'trezor' et al.

Wed Mar 19 20:47:33 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, I thought that the signing thing was a natural step away from an offline wallet?

Wed Mar 19 20:47:21 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   so if you could make it so dumb that the user just thinks of it "as a wallet" with "bitcoins in it" and takes it out to spend from it.

Wed Mar 19 20:47:16 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: who said i was involved in making a bitcoin-related anything?

Wed Mar 19 20:46:52 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   It seems for the bitcoin device that you guys were building (asciilifeform) the real money is in making it SO dumb that the user doesn't have to understand how bitcoin, signing, or a wallet works.

Wed Mar 19 20:46:25 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   There is actually one take-away from the above insights that mircea_popescu 's quote led to here.

Wed Mar 19 20:46:12 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   :)

Wed Mar 19 20:45:24 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   mircea_popescu, I missed your dollar shave example, what was it?

Wed Mar 19 20:43:18 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, they pay extra for a GUI, instead of enough for someone to do it properly.

Wed Mar 19 20:43:07 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, that they pay EXTRA but becuase they're not actually having someone competent do it.

Wed Mar 19 20:42:56 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, that is EXACTLY my point. Exactly that.

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