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Wed Mar 19 20:28:03 UTC 2014  <davout>   ninjashogun: just because you're never going to repay it doesn't change the nature of a debt, it's still a debt

Wed Mar 19 20:27:56 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   Another example is ATM's that run Windows. On some level that is such an obvious display of incompetence that it should make most people here shiver.

Wed Mar 19 20:27:16 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   davout - I don't think it's technical debt if it never needs to be fixed. Windows was never refactored onto a rock-hard Unix base with proven open technology stacks. Nor will it ever be. You can't call it debt if you're never going to do it.

Wed Mar 19 20:26:31 UTC 2014  <davout>   ninjashogun: you may be confusing value with technical debt

Wed Mar 19 20:26:22 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   moiety - windows doesn't really have any architectural defenders.

Wed Mar 19 20:26:18 UTC 2014  <Perlboy>   ninjashogun, true, but then it's been rewritten what, 4 times now (3.11, 95, XP, 8)?

Wed Mar 19 20:26:10 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   moiety I think windows is a fair example because everyone here knows hte obvious ways in which it sucks :)

Wed Mar 19 20:25:49 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   That WITHOUT sarcasm, in fact those architects (the totally incompetent windows ones) have built immense value over hte past thirty years.

Wed Mar 19 20:25:27 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   Yes, exactly my point benderp.

Wed Mar 19 20:25:23 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   Exactly!

Wed Mar 19 20:25:17 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   But on the other hand, millions of people use Windows for hours every day, and have used it to run most aspects of the economy.

Wed Mar 19 20:25:14 UTC 2014  <benderp>   and yet ninjashogun those are the 'architects' out there in the wild, delivering value by your standards.

Wed Mar 19 20:24:53 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   Look, I know that on some level what you say make sense. For example, on some level Windows is completely broken in every single conceivable way and has had the opposite of architects working on it for the past thirty years.

Wed Mar 19 20:24:24 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   Very funny moiety. :)

Wed Mar 19 20:24:12 UTC 2014  <moiety>   i totally agree with mike_c i think it would be a really interesting good thread ninjashogun go for it

Wed Mar 19 20:24:05 UTC 2014  <Perlboy>   ninjashogun, no they are typically promoted either a) Because they stroked egos and didn't create any issues [or covered them up to people who would be concerned] or b) Were found to be incompetent but were stuck in the organisation so were promoted to a position where they couldn't fuck things up

Wed Mar 19 20:23:40 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   mike_c: I hope you're kidding?

Wed Mar 19 20:23:32 UTC 2014  <moiety>   ninjashogun: yup 100% competent huh

Wed Mar 19 20:23:19 UTC 2014  <mike_c>   ninjashogun you should expound on this topic at length on bitcointalk.

Wed Mar 19 20:23:15 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   moiety - I've worked at government agencies. My God! The inefficiency. It was horrendous.

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