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Wed Mar 19 22:02:14 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   ok

Wed Mar 19 22:01:57 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   do you know what that circular thing is in the middle of the xray you posted? (showing leads at 10 o'clock and 12 o'clock position)?

Wed Mar 19 22:01:29 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   joecool: trying to explain to ninjashogun why a crypto-gizmo like yubikey is fundamentally braindamaged

Wed Mar 19 22:00:49 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, what is your point exactly?

Wed Mar 19 22:00:41 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, yes, I agree with you.

Wed Mar 19 22:00:21 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: it is trivial to design a crypto-whatever with malicious trapdoor

Wed Mar 19 21:59:36 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   (or whatever it does that is equivalent)

Wed Mar 19 21:59:14 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   ? The product you linked? So that it escrows your secret and your secret doesn't make it to a file on your PC or your PC memory...

Wed Mar 19 21:58:37 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   I agree.

Wed Mar 19 21:58:34 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   sure, yes.

Wed Mar 19 21:58:26 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, you oculdn't determine exactly what the micro does with any amount of money short of a multimilion dollar lab, but if you make reasonable assumptions (such as commodity components not being a highly engineered replacement) you can verify its operation for <$100 in equipment.

Wed Mar 19 21:58:17 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: you mentioned a chinese manufacturing contact. ask him. he'll tell you an exact cost, in the currency of your choice.

Wed Mar 19 21:57:17 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, what are you getting at?

Wed Mar 19 21:57:13 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, flash memory some ram, processor...

Wed Mar 19 21:56:59 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, (I don't think this is a good use of the word "just"). But it answers your question regarding what is inside.

Wed Mar 19 21:56:39 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, I don't like to say it but it's "just" a single-board module around a microcontroller that is a usb device

Wed Mar 19 21:54:00 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, that tone isn't very conducive to development of anything. Not that I care.

Wed Mar 19 21:53:27 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: you were just told why a 'security' gizmo in the shape of a card is inescapably worthless. care to disagree? or do you even read replies at all

Wed Mar 19 21:52:23 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   :)

Wed Mar 19 21:51:32 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, because he could not patent it to protect his R&D research into it. It's a somewhat tough problem due to the very very fine sizes involved, and also the need to have a very low cost of goods if oyu are going to sell it as a plastic cafrd. There's no model that I can think of that would support this.

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