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Wed Mar 19 21:50:38 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, for example mircea_popescu could probably build a physical card that is a "lukewarm wallet" as you put it, he would have the funds, but I don't think he could get his R&D investment back - it would be money thrown away.

Wed Mar 19 21:50:11 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, I just told you, none of it is patentable.

Wed Mar 19 21:49:55 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: what part of this crap do you imagine is patentable?

Wed Mar 19 21:49:27 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   mike_c - No, I don't have any interest in building a device like that. The only way it would be feasible for a single person who has not made a substantial exit in another company, is if it were strongly patentable. Idon't think it is.

Wed Mar 19 21:48:26 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: homework. determined the cost of, starting with nothing but idle hands, personally determining exactly what your 'yubikey' does.

Wed Mar 19 21:48:11 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, nobody here (or anywhere) has any architectural insights on making the philosopher's stone, or cold fusion, a reality.

Wed Mar 19 21:47:26 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform - anyone who has an oscilloscope would not have to use a naked eye :) You can expect someone to have a magnifying lense ($0.50) if they have an oscilloscope ($100)

Wed Mar 19 21:45:40 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   but a combination of both does wonders. I would say we hit on several key insights in this conversation - that are also actionable. It might be very hard to make a reality, but at least we know the market is there.

Wed Mar 19 21:45:06 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   fair enough.

Wed Mar 19 21:43:19 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   moiety - I'll work on it :).

Wed Mar 19 21:43:00 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   this has been an interesting conversation. Yes, it's not easy to manufacture. I don't know how much those chips do when powered on but I doubt it's enough to do whatever a lukewarm wallet would need to.

Wed Mar 19 21:42:55 UTC 2014  <moiety>   your metaphors and sarcasm are very clear... a few lines later ninjashogun (yawn)

Wed Mar 19 21:42:31 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   :) :)

Wed Mar 19 21:42:24 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: anyway, take this to the 'trezor' folks, not me. i've personally no interest in manufacturing 'lukewarm wallets.'

Wed Mar 19 21:42:14 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, if you took the architectural advantages of a chip'n'pin, and had it in a different form factor (not a card) then people wouldn't have started using it.

Wed Mar 19 21:41:37 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, I meant it (obviously) as a metaphor. Chip'n'pin works totally differently on a fundamnetal architectural level, from a card with a magnetic stripe.

Wed Mar 19 21:41:11 UTC 2014  <moiety>   ninjashogun: i don't believe that's my place to do so

Wed Mar 19 21:41:05 UTC 2014  <asciilifeform>   ninjashogun: if you'd like to trick people, you've the wrong address

Wed Mar 19 21:40:56 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   moiety - tell me.

Wed Mar 19 21:40:49 UTC 2014  <ninjashogun>   asciilifeform, it's more secure to use chip'n'pin because the card info isn't sent in the clear.

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