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Wed Sep 03 14:26:57 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   <sztanpet> cool, now that its un-prefixed from systemd people are meant to use it anyway so might as well make it useful :D

Wed Sep 03 14:25:10 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   o look, there's #systemd

Wed Sep 03 14:21:42 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   this is kind-of bizarre. so, ok, syslogd gets whatever systemd feels like passing along. why is this useful and to whom

Wed Sep 03 14:21:37 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   systemd gets a kilogram of brass. The niggers behind it can decide if the brass is shaped into hammers or bullets.

Wed Sep 03 14:21:21 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service.

Wed Sep 03 14:18:43 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   Systemd is over

Wed Sep 03 14:18:36 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   Systemd distros can go back to the jungle and fuck chimps.

Wed Sep 03 14:17:54 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!!

Wed Sep 03 14:14:47 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   per <Luke-Jr> even I think systemd is crap

Wed Sep 03 14:14:13 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   The point is that to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all

Wed Sep 03 14:12:40 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   Now if GNU Hurd was a useful thing in 1991... systemd might be a thing.

Wed Sep 03 14:11:40 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   Look, the way Bitcoin regulation works is my TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it time to stew, but that's the fina word.

Wed Sep 03 14:01:16 UTC 2014  <pankkake>   I have written inits for systemd, debian, and openrc. have you?

Wed Sep 03 13:59:44 UTC 2014  <Azelphur>   Everyone is talking about systemd, and I'm just sitting here using runit which nobody knows about.

Wed Sep 03 13:59:02 UTC 2014  <Luke-Jr>   even I think systemd is crap

Wed Sep 03 13:58:53 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   "systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple

Wed Sep 03 13:58:53 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning."

Wed Sep 03 13:57:58 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   <mircea_popescu> "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. << Why not a still moar precarious binging site for understood drugs?

Wed Sep 03 13:56:06 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second.

Wed Sep 03 13:55:03 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens.

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