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Wed Sep 03 13:50:51 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ?

Wed Sep 03 13:44:42 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment.

Wed Sep 03 13:42:45 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   pankkake: Because the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow that

Wed Sep 03 13:35:58 UTC 2014  <pankkake>   just list a valid technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said, the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems

Wed Sep 03 13:34:40 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ?

Wed Sep 03 13:00:27 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told

Wed Sep 03 12:39:56 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log.

Wed Sep 03 12:38:22 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   Agent Broachwala, you may find this weird, but I'll stand by http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ longer than I'll stand by most of my baseball blog posts

Wed Sep 03 12:38:22 UTC 2014  <assbot>   The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog

Wed Sep 03 12:27:46 UTC 2014  <BingoBoingo>   Or like systemd radiation would have been still moar trendy

Wed Sep 03 12:16:02 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ?

Wed Sep 03 12:12:50 UTC 2014  <pankkake>   nor is torvalds against systemd

Wed Sep 03 12:12:40 UTC 2014  <pankkake>   ubuntu doesn't use systemd because it's shit

Wed Sep 03 12:11:00 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   apparently systemd devs have all the love and support they could use lol.

Wed Sep 03 12:09:01 UTC 2014  <assbot>   systemd - Ubuntu Wiki

Wed Sep 03 12:09:00 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd << not even ubuntu uses it o.O

Wed Sep 03 12:05:34 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   "11. Ultimately, systemd's parasitism is symbolic of something more than systemd itself. It shows a radical shift in thinking by the Linux community. Not necessarily a positive one, either. One that is vehemently postmodern, monolithic, heavily desktop-oriented, choice-limiting, isolationist, reinvents the flat tire, and just a huge anti-pattern in general. If your goal is to pander to the lowest common denominator, so

Wed Sep 03 12:01:51 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   "systemd clusters itself into PID 1. Due to it controlling lots of different components, this means that there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot."

Wed Sep 03 12:00:04 UTC 2014  <mircea_popescu>   "It's also worth noting that systemd will refuse to start as a user instance, unless the system boots with it as well"

Wed Sep 03 11:59:56 UTC 2014  <punkman>   pankkake: well I have no clue, but is it that systemd is not retarded, or that the alternatives suck

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