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Thu Oct 01 21:21:39 UTC 2015  <assbot>   Logged on 28-09-2015 06:01:54; mircea_popescu: "So those vehicles -- 11 million of them and counting -- are damaged goods. They will *never* be able to meet environmental regulations. That means either (a) they'll need to be taken off the road or (b) environmental regulations will need to be rewritten to include a carve-out for VW diesel owners." << or ship them to pakistan.

Thu Oct 01 08:13:14 UTC 2015  <BingoBoingo>   Preferable in a VW

Wed Sep 30 07:32:44 UTC 2015  <punkman>   and then you tow it back up the hill with a VW?

Mon Sep 28 22:17:32 UTC 2015  <pete_dushenski>   the size of the vw legal problem is too obviously too large for derpy bureaucrats with concrete boots to handle

Mon Sep 28 22:16:58 UTC 2015  <assbot>   Logged on 28-09-2015 06:09:56; mircea_popescu: fascinating that the author manages to go through all that without at any point rising to the very moderate level of awareness that's included in the observation that "all this retarded pseudo-legalistic bullshit just ate its own tail, and now ill have to go. vw shot it in the head, thanks god."

Mon Sep 28 22:11:34 UTC 2015  <mircea_popescu>   ascii_field> anything less than that, won't keep vw alive <<< for my political needs a dead vw is much better than a live one.

Mon Sep 28 20:17:15 UTC 2015  <ascii_field>   anything less than that, won't keep vw alive

Mon Sep 28 06:16:53 UTC 2015  <*>   BingoBoingo can't wait for the kits to make a VW Golf "Roll Coal" come out

Mon Sep 28 06:09:56 UTC 2015  <mircea_popescu>   fascinating that the author manages to go through all that without at any point rising to the very moderate level of awareness that's included in the observation that "all this retarded pseudo-legalistic bullshit just ate its own tail, and now ill have to go. vw shot it in the head, thanks god."

Mon Sep 28 06:02:41 UTC 2015  <mircea_popescu>   anyway, vw takes the cake for fighting the insanity of statal overbearing. and the more insane it gets, the more of this will happen, until eventually maintaining even the pretense of "law enforcement" will become ridiculous.

Mon Sep 28 06:01:54 UTC 2015  <mircea_popescu>   "So those vehicles -- 11 million of them and counting -- are damaged goods. They will *never* be able to meet environmental regulations. That means either (a) they'll need to be taken off the road or (b) environmental regulations will need to be rewritten to include a carve-out for VW diesel owners." << or ship them to pakistan.

Mon Sep 28 06:00:50 UTC 2015  <mircea_popescu>   So, right there, VW diesel owners have a pretty ironclad case for what boils down to speculative financial compensation: the difference between what the cars 'would have been worth' if this flaw hadn't been exposed and what they *are* worth -- which is zero, if only because no one in their right mind would buy one (and in many cases reale may now be forbidden by law) << what ?

Mon Sep 28 03:47:56 UTC 2015  <ascii_field>   ^ mega-opus re: vw & bezzle

Mon Sep 28 03:47:09 UTC 2015  <assbot>   <nettime> VW ... ( http://bit.ly/1QHRG0h )

Wed Sep 23 17:50:44 UTC 2015  <pete_dushenski>   http://www.transportenvironment.org/publications/vw%E2%80%99s-cheating-just-tip-iceberg << moar on emissions testing with a focus on e.u. oversight.

Wed Sep 23 17:50:44 UTC 2015  <assbot>   VW’s cheating is just the tip of the iceberg | Transport & Environment ... ( http://bit.ly/1V9zNhB )

Wed Sep 23 15:52:26 UTC 2015  <pete_dushenski>   and vw's hindleg is stuck in a trap from which is must now chew its way out

Wed Sep 23 15:48:55 UTC 2015  <assbot>   Logged on 23-09-2015 04:55:31; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278736 << turns out that i was off the mark here. to wit : "Emissions system and fuel economy testing is conducted while a vehicle is placed on a dynamometer—think of it as a two big rollers or a treadmill—rather than driving on the road. The vehicle has only its driving wheels rolling (the front ones, in the case of VW vehicles). But the rear tires

Wed Sep 23 15:46:21 UTC 2015  <pete_dushenski>   funkenstein_: vw is under investigation for 'studying to the test' atm. i'm sure they'll be slapped with a big ol' fine by usg and then watch their sales fall by 10-20%

Wed Sep 23 15:40:45 UTC 2015  <funkenstein_>   pete_dushenski, what's goin' on with VW?

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